Talk:Children of Green (3.5e Race)

You have Children of Green listed as a +0 LA race. If they are so, then they are very overpowered. Please reconsider your LA. Thanks!--Vrail 04:41, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I've changed some things so they should hopefully be more appropriately balanced. 97.125.85.109 23:01, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

The variable LA doesn't work. What if someone takes a level of fighter then a level in a psi-class? Do they get a +1 LA? Do they not take the level of psi- and take a level of LA then take a level? It doesn't make sense, nothing else has a "variable" LA based on class selection. It's probably a LA 1 or 2 all the time.--Name Violation 04:22, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, I'm working on addressing the problem. 97.125.85.109 00:55, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

seriously, pick 1 la and stick with it. non of this variable la crap--Name Violation 01:39, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Here's why I chose to use a variable LA, as well as why I barred the Druid class from them.

First, it is not without precedent. There is an entire Category:LA Variable.

Secondly, let us face it, the SRD is not exactly balanced, and it gets worse when sourcebooks and this site are included.

First among these problems, divine casters can prepare and cast any spell they meet the qualifications for, unlike arcane casters and psychics, who have limited lists of known spells. Beyond that, they have combatant-scale Hit Dice, decent Base Attack Bonus growth, and two good saves instead of one. The Druid specifically is broken due to Wildshape and Animal Companion. Wildshape is insanely broken because not only does it allow transformation into powerful animals that can match a combat-main character, not only does it heal the user fully on use, but there is a feat that lets them cast magic in that form. And it gets worse with the Animal Companion, which is nearly as strong as another character on its own. And it doesn't cause experience loss and a yearlong wait before getting another one if it's slain, unlike a Familiar. Therefore I flat-out prohibit them from becoming Druids. Clerics aren't as bad; slightly. They have the benefits of being a divine caster, and they also have rather good weapon proficiency, especially with the War domain. And worse? Divine casters don't actually get their magic from a god. It's fully possible to have a Cleric that worships something abnormal, like a type of weapon, or in fact one that does not worship. Therefore a Child of Green must have LA 2 to become a Cleric, because between the Cleric's divine spellcasting and the Child of Green's innate abilities, otherwise a Child of Green Cleric would be broken.

I put psionic classes at an LA requirement of 2 as well, because a Child of Green with psionic powers is comparable to a Child of Green with arcane magic, but then becomes problematic because of their potential racial Power Points: they would be able to spam their powers more than normal. Worse, there are psionic powers that heal without using positive energy, which could void one of their greatest combat

An average Child of Green adventurer's LA would probably be +1, being blocked from game breaking while still being versatile in class selection. This is about right, considering their powers and their weaknesses (including double damage from several types of attack, and the critical inability to be healed normally).

The LA+0 is for mundane-dominant classes only and is still balance-related: these classes tend to be significantly weaker in combat (especially at higher levels) than magic-using classes. So Children of Green have, in compensation for this weakness, a slight level advantage if they choose to belong exclusively to these classes.

I do appreciate your feedback, though. I have never heard of a time when constructive criticism was not a good thing.

97.125.27.58 02:12, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

but the things listed as la variable are different than this.those are "pick different subsets of stat adjustments" nothings LA is based on class selection. most are templates that can be added to existing things with LA, which is why it says variable. read the races presented in that link you gave. thats like saying an assamar has no la if its a fighter and a +1 if its a palidan, +2 if its a sorcerer. and SRD balance be damned, we still use its rules and standards. A troll sorc still uses a troll LA, dispite the fact it gets boned, so if it says "I'm never going to take fighter type levels" does it get some LA back? no. i understand your point, but the way you want to use a variable LA is more of a variant rule. No other race tries to overcomplicate LA the way this does--Name Violation 01:39, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm convinced. I'll figure out another way to balance them effectively without a variable LA. Thanks for the feedback. 97.125.21.82 02:00, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I've rewritten it a bit so it should be better. 97.125.21.82 23:24, 23 May 2010 (UTC)