Talk:Chibido (5e Race)

Musicus Meter Score: 6.5

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ConcealedLight (talk) 12:19, 15 January 2018 (MST)

A few of that rating doesn't make sense, along with some changes.

• You rated the ASI for the sub-races as +0.5, when it should be +1.
• For the Charming that you added, it is significantly weaker than giving the actual charm person spell 1/day, which is worth 0.5. With Charm Person being able to maintain the charmed condition for a hour instead of a minute, and with the way its currently worded, it seems the Chibido has to take the hit, and then Charming can trigger. So unlike having the actual spell, the damage isn't "negated" and offers far less utility, So is this really worth 1?
• For Enchanting Looks, restricting it to only the opposite sex to give expertise doesn't make much sense since people can be enthralled by the same sex and be more likely to be persuaded.
• As for the wording changes on Reticent, it doesn't make much sense considering what Reticent means. From what I see, it appears you're trying to portray it as an angry and fierce sub-race, but Reticent means "not revealing one's thoughts or feelings readily." Furthermore, Reticent was originally named Silent. Thus having a Fierce Personality or Powerful Temper doesn't make much sense.

As for other problems with this race, it seems that Reticent is the more unfavorable choice, since a majority of the main race has incredible focus on having higher Charisma to be effective, especially now that Charming is now what it is. --Alearori (talk) 09:56, 15 January 2018 (MST)

Charming - The target doesn't have advantage on their save, it has no range limit, it can be done as a reaction and they don't get to repeat their save if they are attacked, all that in exchange for an increased duration. That is better then a charm person, in fact too much better, so I'm correcting it to 90ft and they can repeat the save if harmed. However, that is still better than charm person so the score of 1 remains.

Enchanting Looks - If you have a suggestion feel free to give it.

Everything else has been tweaked appropriately and a rating of 6 still stands.

ConcealedLight (talk) 10:38, 15 January 2018 (MST)

Actually, since you increased the rating for the ASI, but didn't decrease Charming, it's total is actually 6.5 now.

For Enchanting Looks, I think it'd be better to reduce it back to just proficiency in persuasion, instead of expertise.

As for Charming, the story is: the attacker hits you, and then you wink at them, and then they're charmed by you and won't hit you anymore. In this story, the attacker just seem kinda weird and that whole sequence of events just seems stupid to me.

Regarding the ASI changes, I think the original was better with the main race giving +1 to int and cha, resonant giving +1 cha, and reticent giving +1 int. Because it allowed the user to have far more diversity what class they'd want to use while playing the race. It was also be closer to the original scheme the original creator ended up with. And because this cha reliance was a problem in this race I was considering how to fix in this race for a long time, one solution might be: Since you removed Fluid Grace and Beauty Beyond Compare for Charming, it might be better to remove Charming, and replace it with something like Cunning but reflavored for Chibido. This would retain what Fluid Grace and Beauty Beyond Compare were supposed to do for defensive purposes, and since Cunning is +1.5, this would make the total 7 since removing Charming is -1.

Or alternatively, it might be better to allow Reticent to change the modifier of Charming to Int, but I think that is a worse than the above solution. --Alearori (talk) 11:28, 15 January 2018 (MST)

Not sure how I didn't see that, thanks. I've corrected the rating and adjusted enchanting look. I don't think the other points you made are particularly valid and after looking through it again I don't believe any more changes are necessary. ConcealedLight (talk) 12:19, 15 January 2018 (MST)

The race lost alot of versatility from before, and Intelligence builds with Chibido are no longer possible. You essentially forced Chibido to be cha focused in order to maximize usage of that singular trait you replaced Fluid Grace and Beauty Beyond Compare for, which were already quite balanced from the start. The two of which were the original features of the race by the original creator. And I'll admit that the way Charming is somewhat balanced, but I still think the way Charming currently works doesn't quite make sense logically unless you have a counterargument for that. Like, if you got hit by them, why would you wink at them?

Remember to sign your comments. From a min/max perspective this race may no longer be viable if you want to play a wizard because a +1 to too little, however, this doesn't mean the race should be changed to accomadate that kind of behaviour and please remember that no first party race gets a choice between two scores so including that to begin within should be avoided. Next instead of going on and on about how you find the Charming trait illogical you could make a suggestion about how you believe the fluff of such a trait should be changed. I'd also like to say that if you would like to see this race move in a certain direction or towards a specific theme/goal/concept communicate that instead of simply insisting I change things based on what you want. ConcealedLight (talk) 15:53, 15 January 2018 (MST)