Talk:Bestiary (Dragon Ball Supplement)

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Balancing (essentially) PVP[edit]

I understand the purpose behind ECCR, but it certainly gives me concerns for DMs and balancing encounters. Is there a table/system for this thing in the works? Or are DMs just gonna need to fly by the seat of their pants until something does get started? --SwankyPants (talk) 11:55, 3 June 2021 (MDT)

Something is in the works, but will take a while to get just right. Just off the top of my head, an even (if a little meat-grindery) fight is an equal number of equal level creatures. As a soft rule before something more concrete is created, for every creature you remove, the remaining creatures' levels increase by 2, and for every creature you add, the remaining creatures' levels decrease by 2.--Ref3rence (talk) 11:09, 9 June 2021 (MDT)

Hey, I don't really know where to go with descriptions so I hope you don't mind if I just make the stats and leave the description making to you guys P@uL (talk) 02:56, 15 June 2021 (MDT)

No worries, I'll take a look and add something that fits.--Ref3rence (talk) 11:01, 15 June 2021 (MDT)

I might need some help with GT Vegeta, for some reason the stats can't seem to go any higher than 30 so it's made an error P@uL (talk) 04:53, 29 June 2021 (MDT)

The stat limit is really becoming troublesome, a fusion's stat block becomes a mess full of errors even in hp. Should we just write down the stats counted as errors in their features? P@uL (talk) 01:30, 3 July 2021 (MDT)

I'm unsure what you mean. Both ability modifiers and proficiency bonuses have been uncapped, and I was able to create Vegito, Buu Saga (Dragon Ball Supplement) with only 1 error in passive perception (still trying to track down why that happened, but it wasn't all too hard to fix).--Ref3rence (talk) 09:48, 3 July 2021 (MDT)

I tried making that earlier at the time I posted that but stopped due to the saves, stats and hp modifier being errors. P@uL (talk) 17:49, 3 July 2021 (MDT)

Road Map[edit]

When I started creating creatures for this campaign, I had the idea to have 1 creature per level per race, but I never actually presented a plan for where creatures lie. This will probably only last until a good number have been created. While I'm not going to lay out every creature, hopefully this should plot out the important ones. Feel free to add your own for future reference to the table, or discuss shuffling certain characters around above the table.--Ref3rence (talk) 11:09, 9 June 2021 (MDT)

Master roshi, I know he was on par with Goku and almost lost to him and all but he had both powerhouse and mafuba, and those techniques are very far ahead from level 7, unless there's something that can make characters get certain techniques earlier. And I don't really think that's the best thing to do. P@uL (talk) 05:04, 17 June 2021 (MDT)

Fair enough, he was most likely suppressed during the fight anyway.--Ref3rence (talk) 10:33, 17 June 2021 (MDT)

Hey Ref I get why you removed the UI sign and all because Goku is not dex based but that's not really a big issue, as, if you watch UI sign Goku vs Kefla again he realizes that he doesn't even hit as hard anymore. So you can still make a UI sign Goku, he's more based on his AC and avoiding attacks not bulldozing. It's until he becomes complete UI that it does good damage. P@uL (talk) 11:34, 17 July 2021 (MDT)

Actually I just saw it, and I've seen that super Saiyan blue kaioken itself is more beneficial even in Dex than UI sign, so you're right. P@uL (talk) 11:44, 17 July 2021 (MDT)

I wonder where would the other Ginyu force members lie? Because I'm planning on making the NPCs of the Namek saga. But I don't know where they would be. P@uL (talk) 10:53, 11 January 2022 (MST)

Recoome, Jeice, and Burter would probably be around 23rd level, with Guldo being 22nd level. For the sake of having it down, Bonyu (a Ginyu Force member from DBZ: Kakkarot) would probably be 25th due to being relative but far weaker than Android Saga Goku.--Ref3rence (talk) 11:14, 11 January 2022 (MST)

I think saibamen fit more into Cr 17 since Yamcha was supposedly able to beat it but only died because he kept his guard down against the self destruct. Which is a powerful technique. P@uL (talk) 10:59, 16 January 2022 (MST)

You're probably right, the only issue I have is the wonky scaling of Saibamen being equal to Raditz, but stronger than Piccolo Jr. Saga Goku, but honestly with only 60 levels to work with there's bound to be a bit of jank, and expanding the maximum level would be more work than it's worth.--Ref3rence (talk) 11:27, 16 January 2022 (MST)
Level Namekian Saiyan Human Alien FDemon Majin
1st Farmer with Shotgun Pilaf
2nd Launch Monster Carrot
3rd Mr. Satan, PilafS Yamcha Oolong
4th PilafS Goku Ox King Giran
5th Monaito Nam, 21st BT Yamcha Toronbo
6th 21st BT Goku 21st BT Krillin
7th Videl, Master Shen
8th Chiaotzu, Red Ribbon Officer Korin
9th BabaS Goku 22nd BT Roshi, Baba's Warriors
10th Cymbal 22nd BT Krillin, Tao
11th 22nd BT Goku 22nd BT Tien
12th Tambo RaditzS Gohan Chi-Chi Garlic Jr. Henchman
13th Drum Paragus Garlic
14th OK Piccolo Gine, SaiyanS Gohan Yajirobe
15th YK Piccolo Phantom Saiyan Cyborg Tao, Babidi Minion West Kai Mr. Popo
16th Kami KPS Goku 23rd BT Yamcha, 23rd BT Krillin East Kai, Shenron
17th 23rd BT Piccolo Tarble 23rd BT Tien North Kai
18th Guru 23rd BT Goku, Beets, Raditz SaiyanS Yamcha South Kai, Porunga
19th SaiyanS Krillin, SaiyanS Tien Garlic Jr., Saibaman
20th Nappa Frieza Soldier
21st Namek Piccolo SaiyanS Goku, NamekS Gohan Pui Pui
22nd SaiyanS Vegeta, Bardock Cui
23rd NamekS Vegeta, Turles Zarbon, Dodoria Chilled
24th Piccolo + Nail NamekS Goku Ginyu, Yakon Kuriza
25th Nameless Namekian SS Goku Ultimate Shenron, Black Smoke Toronbo Frieza
26th Future Trunks Android 19/20 King Cold
27th AndroidS Piccolo Future Gohan Cooler
28th Xeno Dende AndroidS Gohan Dark Shenron, Minotia, Imperfect Cell
29th Piccolo + Kami AndroidS Vegeta Android 17/18 Tapion Majin Ozotto
30th BuuS Piccolo AndroidS Goku Android 16 Hera Clan Metal Cooler
31st Cell Games Vegeta & Trunks Semi-Perfect Cell Metal Cooler Core
32nd Cell Games Goku Shin, Bojack
33rd Cell Games Gohan Dabura, Perfect Cell Maji-Kayo
34th Yamoshi Good/Evil Buu
35th GT Piccolo Grand Kai Kid Buu
36th BuuS Vegeta Majin Buu
37th BuuS Goku Uub Super Buu
38th PU Gohan Janemba
39th Z Broly Hidden Power Kid Buu
40th King Sadala Hatchiyack
41st Renso Black Smoke Shenron Hirudegarn
42nd GT Gohan Majuub Rildo
43rd GT Vegeta GT Super 17 Baby
44th GT Goku Omega Shenron
45th Cabba
46th Caulifla Oren
47th Super Piccolo Kale Kamin
48th Cumber Super 18
49th End of GT Goku Super Krillin
50th Super Gohan Super 17
51st God Vegeta Frost
52nd God Goku
53rd Blue Vegeta Ultimate Black Smoke Shenron Golden Frieza
54th Blue Goku
55th Goku Black, ToP Gohan
56th Rage Trunks ToP Frieza
57th SSBE Vegeta
58th SSBK Goku
59th Beerus, Super Shenron
60th Kagyu S Broly, UI Goku Super Villain Yamcha Jiren GoD Frieza Salaga
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