Talk:Battle Wizard (3.5e Optimized Character Build)

Lolwut?

Wait, wizards are helpless? Stop the presses! -- Jota 22:28, 7 August 2009 (MDT)

it's imposible to take Sudden Quiken at 3d wizard level

Thank you for telling me, I knew of the feats existence, but I wasn't sure about the requirements. it's now fixed. ^^ -Zalrex

The problem wasn't really that feat, but the fact that you're not doing anything optimizable here; you've got no especially good source of extra damage for twf, your BAB sucks compared to other gishes out there, and even if you got your AC high enough, you don't have any way to keep the attention of monsters. --Ghostwheel 08:13, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

This build isn't meant to make your attacks, AC, or damage super high, it's meant to give a lower level wizard a chance at surviving after all of his/her spells have been depleted, as tends to happen at lower levels, especially if your party has no healers or potions or if you wizard is going solo, also if the caster prepares ahead of time and wants to do the melee over spells, they can get cast True Strike, Magic Weapon, and even a touch spell to increase attack and damage with the staff, which by now, they are far better at using than most others, on top of it being rather close to being a magical weapon itself --Zalrex 10:47, 11 August 2009 (AKDT)

A low-level wizard doesn't need any of these things to survive. Blinded (with Glitterdust) opponents can't target you well, Mirror Image makes most attacks miss, as does Displacement, Fly keeps you out of melee, unconscious (with Sleep or Color Spray) opponents aren't going to be doing anything. If you're going to try to replace the BSF or GC, do it well, or don't do it at all. Especially not in a build that should be "optimized". For example, see the Grapplemancer. --Ghostwheel 12:54, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

Let me point out that any wizard can run out of spells, no one can plan the day perfectly every time. I'm not trying to replace anything (and I'm sure I don't know what BSF and GC stand for). I should point out, also, that I only have the Core books and whatever customized stuff I can find online, so I can't really use the alternate rules and feats that you find in the supplements. --Zalrex 11:12, 11 August 2009 (AKDT)

BSF stands for Big Stupid Fighter (stupid because he stands in front of the squishies and *wants* to be attacked) and GC stands for Glass Cannon. On a guide to class roles and such, I'd recommend giving the guide a read-through. That said, wizards can usually end encounters with a single spell, especially at very low levels (Color Spray). And your own caster runs out of spells quickly, since you need to cast buffs on yourself while the wizard who prepares Color Spray a few times ends encounters in one go. If you want to build a gish-y character, a good base for core-only is Paladin 2 / Sorc 8 / Eldritch Knight 10 for 17 CL by level 20, cha to saves, and +16 BAB by level 20 (epic-ready). Two-Weapon Fighting is only really useful if you have an extra source of damage like Sneak Attack to pile on damage to every attack you make. --Ghostwheel 13:19, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

Well, those are your opinions, I prefer to use my spells a bit more creatively than that and I personally think that any battle that can be won with only a few actions is too boring. But whatever, I really don't care if this gets removed, I just wanted to post a build idea for people that constantly find their casters to be running out of spells and therefore helpless. Oh, and just curious, does your dislike of item familiars at all help form your opinion on this build? Just asking. ^_^ --Zalrex 11:44, 11 August 2009 (AKDT)

My dislike of item familiars is connected to the fact that they grant you extra skill points, higher xp than the rest of the group, etc, didn't even notice that you had one in this build, so not really, nope. --Ghostwheel 13:46, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

Ah, okay then. It's just using a staff familiar, which is what sparked this idea. Anyways, thank you for the opinions, tips, etc...