User talk:Enduringone5/Elvis Presley (5e Creature)

Issues

I'm not sure this article is the kind of thing this wiki needs. While I have some distaste for many of the specific opinions stated that I believe should at least be put out there (Elvis is in no way relevant or particularly sexual in the modern day; drug abuse isn't some mark of evil, it's what people turn to in despair; art is an intrinsic part of human nature, not some satanic ideology), my actual problems with this page go far deeper.

Were this from a setting where the real world is mystified and given lore to fit, it might make sense, but 5e already has an adaptation for normal people outside of such a thing. Additionally, allowing for such opinionated pages regarding real people could easily turn this wiki into the worst kind of political forum. Most importantly, this is just a flat out personal attack, if one against a man whose been dead for almost 50 years, and we don't do that here. Just as much as I don't want a creature page made in my name painting me as a shut-in freak, or one of this page's creator painting them as some deranged cultist, I don't want one painting this real living person as some force of evil. Everyone is a person, and deserves the basic respect to be represented accurately to reality. --Ref3rence (talk) 10:36, 20 October 2021 (MDT)

I'm afraid I don't support your protests. Elvis Presley was everything the description described him as. And anyway, in his stats he is neutral, not evil. This depiction is an accurate representation of the real Elvis Presley with some magical spins on him. --MythicActions2000 (talk) 11:50, 20 October 2021 (MDT)

But the description itself is not neutral. You could have just as easily described any other number of things, but the subtext sticks to calling him a devil worshipper who does his best to drive other people straight to hell. In the nicest words, this is slander. Even if you don't agree with who he is and what he did, it is still slanderous. The same deal with creature pages for recent american presidents. We really don't need this page. --SwankyPants (talk) 11:56, 20 October 2021 (MDT)

I disagree. Elvis Presley did have chaotic and demonic music (perhaps noise would be a better description) and was a perverted dopehead (though maybe that is a bit to strong, but still). What about the Plato and Aristotle pages? What would you say about them? What if some one made a page for another evil person like Nimrod who dates back to 3500 years ago when he built the Tower of Babel? Would that be fine just because he's from a much less recent time? Just because he isn't as admired today as some one like Elvis Presley is? Seriously. --MythicActions2000 (talk) 12:20, 20 October 2021 (MDT)

Name one time Elvis sang anything demonic. Just because people don't live a 100% Puritan lifestyle doesn't make them the spawn of Satan. I'd say the same thing about the Plato and Aristotle page (though the whole Nimrod thing is debatable since, as an ancient religious figure, it'd be similar to making a page for Mjolnir). Additionally, you're ignoring the actual point. So much of this page boils down the complex story of a man's life down to ideology soup. Music = evil, serving in the military (despite being drafted) = evil, drug addiction (brought on by a superior officer shortly after his mother's death) = evil. Elvis was a vet musician with a drug addiction, just as Aristotle and Plato were philosophers and Einstein was a mathematician, those are the facts, but the spin given to them are not. Like Swank said, it's just slander.--Ref3rence (talk) 12:28, 20 October 2021 (MDT)

I also don't agree with the Plato and Aristotle pages, but it wasn't the matter at hand, so I didn't feel it important to mention them. They were still real people, and as such I still believe they don't serve a purpose here. Mythology is different. Make any number of creatures originating from old norse legends, greek epics, or Dante's 9 circles, but please just keep it to that. --SwankyPants (talk) 13:05, 20 October 2021 (MDT)

Well, if Nimrod is questionable for being an ancient religious figure, what about a recent one like a Pope or Charles Darwin? --MythicActions2000 (talk) 13:10, 20 October 2021 (MDT)

Both are still real people, so no. They don't serve a purpose on this wiki. --SwankyPants (talk) 13:11, 20 October 2021 (MDT)